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I'm sorry to hear about your troubling and frustrating experience. Can you share, generally, where you live (e.g. nearest cross streets) to help folks who might live nearby be a little more aware? Also, is there anything you need? We had a break-in attempt a couple of years ago and found that our alarm system definitely paid off. In our case, they popped one of doors with a crowbar and ran away immediately once the door sensor had tripped. Had they come in another way, the motion detector would have tripped very quickly. Hindsight, I know, but may be something to consider to give you more peace of mind in the future. For us, we had an alarm when we lived in other neighborhoods in the city so it is not just a CD thing for us - just an urban living comfort level thing... |
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hello, I'm so sorry about your violation. are you on the madrona moms list serve? there are a ton of people that have been broken into lately...in madrona and the cd. it seemed to be a group of teenagers that keep getting arrested and then out the next day b/c they are minors. I talked with a cop at safeway about it and he seemed very frustrated b/c the kids kept breaking into houses and then being let go by the justice system. Hopefully they'll catch the people that did this and I'm glad ya'll weren't hurt. Anna |
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I was out of it all night and then all day... And then I come back here and the first post I see is about a stabbing and I remind myself that we'll recover from this. Rob and Anna - I've spoken with almost everyone on my block so far, but will be casting a wider net so that anyone who isn't already aware of the situation will be. At the very least, I think people should have the East Precinct number handy in case they don't already. The alarm system is now on our to-do list. I had always thought alarms were superfluous because we'd never been targeted and didn't really think anyone was at large in our immediate area. I mean, we've been brainless enough to leave our house or car doors unlocked more than once and have apparently been really lucky not to have had a snatch and grab incident any of those times. I had simply taken it as confirmation of how safe things are and that you really could just trust people. I was shocked to learn from our neighbors that they've been hit too (some in years past, some just weeks ago, some multiple times)... And we're just hearing about this now?? That's why I went and talked to everyone I could get a hold of, just to remind everyone that we've got to watch each other's backs, that this is home to all of us. While talking to folks, we also heard about the two more recent incidents reported on the Madrona Moms listserve where breakins happened _with residents at home_!!! I don't have high hopes that they'll catch the people who did this or recover any of our stolen property, though I am definitely on the hunt for it all in the likeliest places. I mean, does anyone who's been robbed ever get their stuff back??? Today, I've just been reminding myself how lucky we were that the dogs weren't hurt and am hoping against all hope that the robbers don't come back for anything they might have wanted but didn't have the time to take. Steve - Thanks for taking the time post these tips. I hope you are able to employ them successfully wherever it is that you live because I know of too many people for whom these tips didn't work, not even numbers 4 or 5, if you can believe it! |
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| We are in Capitol Hill and 3 neighbors on my street have been robbed in the past month. Some of these kids that robbed my neighbor were actually caught and arrested (linked fingerprints) but they are probably free now. The group that robbed my neighbor are minors, little black kids that look 16 or 17, and they all live in the CD on 17th and Main with their grandmother. You should have SPD come speak to everyone on your block about forming a neighborhood block watch. I am shocked at how many people around here still aren't aware of the robberies going on, even people on our block. Its the same group of kids and their friends and they are hitting multiple neighborhoods. | |
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I've heard of several incidents recently in my neighborhood and one nearby that sounds like the same kids/grandmother. And I keep hearing that SPD can't do searches of their home or any punishment because they are minors. They seem to be untouchable. One of these included an assault because the resident was home at the time of the assault. Does somebody have any real info from SPD about what gives with this? Maybe we can get Mike Y to speak to us about this too (there was a previous suggestion to have him help us with another matter. |
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| Correction to typo in the post I just made - end of first paragraph should read "at the time of the break-in," not "at the time of the assault." | ||
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thought police and censorship on this site
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| Whats with removing posts that question status quo? This is why the crime problem will never be addressed in the C.D. | |
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I deleted a comment that: 1. Was racially offensive 2. Encouraged people to be dishonest in their reporting of crimes (that is a felony) in order to get a quicker police response |
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| I think the little old lady who "doesn't really know what's going on" is a bit more aware of the situation than she lets on. I'd like SPD to tell her straight up that the next time the kids rob somebody she's going to jail. Fuck this, if the minors don't go, the parents should. just like when minors drink booze at a home and then go out and get in trouble, the parents are at risk of prosecution. | |
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My info from the victims of more than one of these break-ins is that the grandmother is in a wheelchair and is trying to care for seven children. These situations are often a lot more complex than they appear on the surface. That said, as previously mentioned, there has to be a better approach to this ongoing set of problems. We need discussion with official contacts who can explain the police/court response (or lack of response) to these crimes. |
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Where's the logic?
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Scott- The crack addict's, prostitutes and criminals that brazenly sell drugs in the CD and break into people houses are felon's and they operate with no fear because the police's rules of engagement have been neutered by stupid policies such as not allowing racial profilling. The only way to take the neighborhood back from the low lifes is to beat them at there own game, saying you saw litle white baggies is a harmless way of getting action and solving the problem. Pointing out he obvious fact of who the criminals are in the CD is not racially offensive its just the honest plain and simple truth. I understand if you have some white guilt and want to be politically correct but in doing so you are contributing to the problem not helping to solve it. If you want an open exchange of idea's on this site then I suggest you do not delete comments that fit into your narrow box of how the world works. |
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Scott's response was correct. A false report, which is a felony, solves nothing and wastes resources. A smearing a whole group of people because of the actions of some creates many problems and solves none. The system is not working, but the solutions presented in the deleted comment would not help. We do need to find out why known offenders are not brought to justice. We need a discussion with SPD about this, and if the problem is elsewhere (courts? prosecuting attorneys?), we need to address that. |
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I'd have to agree with anonymous. As a matter of fact, I've pretty had a police officer 'coach me' to say that I saw a clear baggie with white crystals change hands next time I call in a crack deal. Apparently that's the threshold they need in order to be able to search the person, otherwise they can't do anything except talk. I'm sorry, but it is near impossible to actually see the merchandise transfer hands, they very well know what the rules are. But if I see two guys walk by, shake hands while looking around, one starts walking away, and the other starts smoking crack, I damn well am going to say I saw a deal go down, full on with some manufactured details if it helps rid them. I have to agree with the sentiment of Anon, some of the overly-PC crowd are just fooling themselves. You are fighting against criminals who follow no rules, and the bar is set VERY high for the police to search or apprehend the bad guys. Stretching the truth when you positively see a deal go down is leveling the play field in my book. I called 911 today on two guys smoking crack in front of my place after a deal went down. They were CLEARLY doing it. 10 minutes later the squad car pulls up, asks them if they are smoking dope. They deny it and start walking. The cop from his car says someone called in saying they are smoking. They deny it again, say they live around the corner etc.. That was it, the squad car kept going. Yay, maybe I got them off my front steps, but they'll be back tomorrow or the next day. Saw the same two (quite high still) on 22nd and Union later in the day.. |
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| I hate what's happening to this neighborhood (again) but saying you saw baggies when you didn't is lying and lying in a teeny tiny way puts you in the same mindset as the idiots with the alleged baggies. | ||
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Hey Swindled, Just wanna say sorry to hear what happened to you and your family. It must feel awful. Sending good vibes from the neighborhood. |
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| After just 10months in the CD, one stolen car and two break-in attempts (by those same pesky kids) I'm outa here. I will miss my amazing landlords, fun farmers market and great neighbors. An organized community watch program needs to be enacted, this is just too nice of an area to suffer so badly from crime. Thanks for all the memories. | |
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Sorry to hear about your break-in. This happened to us years ago in Seward Park, during a rash of break-ins in that area. Thankfully, the group involved was finally caught. After the break-in I remembered that two strangers, looking fairly strung out, had come to my door a week before, asking if "mary lived there." I said no from behind the closed locked door and waited for them to walk away. After the break-in, I realize they had been casing the house even then. Along these lines, I wanted to add that several posts on Madrona Moms suggested that if you believe you've just seen suspicious behavior in your neighbor's yard, or in your own, that you should call the police at that time as well. The police who responded in Madrona to these calls, thanked the residents. The going thought is that it sends the message to these kids that they are being watched and people are paying attention. Still - - I still can not wrap my mind around the SPD's inability to bring charges and create consequences for these kids. I don't get it... at a community level and at a legal level it doesn't compute. |
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Some resources to consider
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Contact Mike Yasutake (michael.yasutake@seattle.gov ) the SPD East Precinct Crime Prevention Coordinator and he'll help you get a Blockwatch started. Tienney Milnor (Tienney.Milnor@seattle.gov), the Assistant City Attorney assigned to the East Precinct, would be a good resource for the legal issues being raised in this discussion. Another good way to share this public safety information is via the East Precinct Crime Prevention Coalition ( http://www.sngi.org/epcpc/epcpc.html ). Sita DeGiulio Das ( sita@sngi.org ) can put you on the mailing list. |
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from madrona moms: break-ins on komo news
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Hey gang, I thought I would let all of you know about the news story that will be aired tonight on Komo 4 during their 5:00 and 6:00 broadcasts. We had 2 break-ins in the area this morning and a neighbor called the news. They showed up and interviewed a few people and they decided to air the story. I think it will be live at 5:00 and they will rebroadcast at 6:00. I don't know if it will help change things but some additional attention might benefit the 'hood. No news is good news, right? |
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| You can start by refering to where we live as a NEIGHBORHOOD not a "hood". | ||
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The news story on Komo 4
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Here's the link to the story on the break-ins: http://www.komonews.com/news/23999329.html Thanks to Madrona Moms for the heads-up. |
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Front Page on KOMO; Lead story too!
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| Great news ... the article on KOMO not only led the five and six o'clock news. Hopefully this will help draw attention to the central district robberies and get some police activity back in the neighborhood. I think having patrol calls come by without someone having to call 911 would be a good start ... the brazen youth are likely aware that the lack of a routine police presence makes their robberies that much easier. | |
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And now Judkins Park?
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Unfortunately, I just got word that one of the neighbors in our part of the Judkins Park neighborhood (bounded by 23rd/MLK and Dearborn/S. Irving) had a break-in burglary at about 4AM on July 3rd. She was in the house asleep at the time. When she finally woke to some sounds, she dialed 911 and they took off (I suppose after hearing her on the phone). They came in through a ground floor side window, turned on the lights, moved through the rooms, emptied drawers and took computers. The neighbor was not harmed and did not come into contact with the robbers. Likewise, the police did not get sight of them. |
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| We had a neighbor burgelerd at 4 am on the 5th of july on Davis Pl. S.. He found out by the police rousting him out of bed. apparently they cough the same kids entering another house, found some lap tops on one, checked the lap tops and found his name and came by his house. He had been asleep the through the burglery and did not know he had been broken into until the police woke him up to return the stolen goods! Whet luck!!!! | ||
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No Break-ins in Wallingford, Fremont, U-District Etc???
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I don't think anyone's claiming that, however there is very clearly a "crime spree" in the CD recently, so it's newsworthy. I didn't see the KOMO broadcast, but I hope they mentioned on air that the people responsible for many (most?) of these burglaries are being caught and released by the cops. |
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| There are break-ins and car thefts all over the city, north and south. But this is clearly a "spree" and should be dealt with more aggressively by the SPD. | ||
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| I don't think it's fair to say the Seattle PD isn't taking this seriously. I think they're as frustated as we are with a system that keeps releasing these repeat offenders. Every time we've contacted the police for drug deals or suspect behavior in our neighborhood they have responded promptly and appropriately. The officers in our neighborhood have told us to call in whatever we see that looks suspicious, the more calls they get to an area, the more officers that get assigned to that area. | |
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I am so so sorry to hear about the crime that was committed against you. I can't begin to understand the awful feeling of violation. Thank you for writing about it, though. I have spoken with all of my neighbors, and we have a pact....ANYONE in their back yards we haven't been warned of will have the police called on them. Everyone agrees. We will all look out for each other. Thank you, and please DON'T LEAVE!!!! What would we do with out you??? |
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